WP 69 | The People in Your Practice: Understanding the Role of Therapist with Hunter Bickers

Written By James Marland

Introduction:

In the dynamic world of therapy, there are many factors to consider when it comes to running a successful practice. One crucial aspect is understanding a therapist's role and their impact on their clients' lives. In this blog post, we will talk with Hunter Bickers, a licensed associate and certified master addiction counselor, to gain insights into his experience as a therapist at Water's Edge Counseling.

Exploring Hunter's Journey at Water's Edge Counseling:

Hunter talks about how he found his way to Water's Edge Counseling. He shares how he stumbled upon the job posting on LinkedIn and felt an instant connection with the requirements, considering they aligned perfectly with his expertise and experience. Hunter highlights the importance of finding a practice that matches your skill set and values while also providing strong support through resources and supervision.

The Benefits of Autonomy and Supportive Resources:

Working at Water's Edge Counseling offers Hunter the unique advantage of autonomy blended with ample support from supervisors and colleagues. He appreciates the freedom to develop his own routine and approach while also knowing that assistance is just a message or a short walk away. Hunter emphasizes the importance of having access to supervision, both individual and group, as it enhances his professional growth and allows him to learn from his peers.

Maintaining a Healthy Work-life Balance:

One of the aspects Hunter values at Water's Edge Counseling is the manageable client load, which prevents burnout and allows him to maintain a healthy work-life balance. He mentions how the practice naturally provides periods of rest, ensuring that he always feels energized and relaxed. The ebb and flow of client appointments and the occasional breaks during holidays or school-related events contribute to a well-paced workload.

The Importance of Cultivating a Family-like Culture:

Hunter emphasizes the close-knit, family-like culture that thrives at Water's Edge Counseling. Despite working in separate office spaces, the therapists have opportunities to connect and bond through supervision sessions, staff meetings, and exciting events like murder mystery nights and Christmas parties. This supportive environment creates a strong sense of camaraderie among the team members.

Benefits and the Practice Centers:

Hunter reflects on the significance of benefits provided by the practice, such as health insurance, paid time off (PTO), and retirement plans. While he initially didn't prioritize these benefits, his experience at Water's Edge Counseling has highlighted their importance. Having access to these resources has proven invaluable in unexpected situations and has solidified his appreciation for the practice's commitment to its team members.

Conclusion:

Understanding the role of a therapist extends beyond clinical expertise and therapeutic skills. It includes being part of a supportive community, having access to resources and supervision, and maintaining a healthy work-life balance. Hunter Bickers' experience at Water's Edge Counseling showcases the value of a practice that prioritizes its therapists' well-being, autonomy, and professional growth. By considering these factors, therapists can create thriving practices where they can make a lasting impact on their clients' lives.

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    [00:02:15] Whitney Owens: Hello, friends, and welcome to the WISe Practice Podcast. This is a series on interviewing amazing people that work at Water's Edge Counseling. Um, so you already heard interviews with, um, the Marketing Director and also with our Office Manager Intake Coordinator. And today I'm hanging out with Hunter, who's one of the most amazing therapists at the practice.

    [00:02:35] Hunter Bickers: Doing well. Thank you so

    [00:02:37] Whitney Owens: much. So this is Hunter Bickers. Um, I'm going to let, I'll let you introduce yourself, tell them kind of where you're from, your certifications, a little bit about the clients you

    [00:02:45] Hunter Bickers: work with. Okay, sure. Why not? So, um, yeah, my name is Hunter Vickers. I am an, a licensed associate. I am also a certified master addiction counselor in the state of Georgia, and I am on the board of the Georgia Addiction Counselor Association.

    [00:03:00] Hunter Bickers: I grew up, uh, just a few hours north of Savannah and, uh, moved here from Athens with my wife coming up on two years ago. And, um, yeah, so I mainly see for the most part males anywhere from about 13 and upward into adults. Most of my clients are guys in their 20s and 30s. I do see females as well. But for the most part, I get a lot of the men that inquire here at water's edge.

    [00:03:27] Hunter Bickers: And with my past experience and substance abuse, I do get most of the people that are seeking treatment for any type of addiction, drugs, alcohol, pornography, anything like that.

    [00:03:38] Whitney Owens: Awesome. Wonderful. Um, so we're going to kind of talk with you guys about what it's like to work at the practice and what it's like to have a therapist hiring therapists and kind of what they do at the practice.

    [00:03:50] Whitney Owens: And I'll give you all the good, bad and ugly about working working with me. All right. So 1st, let's kind of talk about what drew you to the position. Like, when you saw the ad, where did you see it? Why did you apply for it? What was that process like for you?

    [00:04:06] Hunter Bickers: Yeah, absolutely. So my wife and I, during our engagement process had decided that we wanted to move somewhere and try somewhere a little bit different from Athens and we settled on Savannah.

    [00:04:17] Hunter Bickers: And while we were still working on planning a wedding and everything, I was consistently just checking on job boards, trying to see what was in the Savannah area. And I was looking on LinkedIn. I linked in jobs function one day and saw water's edges post, and it said, looking for somebody with experience with males, substance abuse and trauma.

    [00:04:38] Hunter Bickers: And at the time I was working at a residential treatment facility for men. So all of those things on the job posting I was doing all day every day. So I thought, wow, this couldn't be any more perfect. And so I went to my wife and I said, you know, I'm We're months away from moving, but this seems to fit exactly what I do and what I'm looking for.

    [00:04:59] Hunter Bickers: She gave me the okay to go ahead and apply and I did and then we kind of just we went from there. But yeah, it's been absolutely great.

    [00:05:07] Whitney Owens: Yeah, that actually, I think Hunter is the only person I've hired through LinkedIn because I don't normally use that platform all that often. And then at the time, I don't know, I just got on there and put those specifiers and it was exactly and I think that just also kind of gives to the testament of how.

    [00:05:23] Whitney Owens: People are out there looking and God's in it, you know, and, like, those words got put in there. Those words jumped out to you when you weren't even looking for a job necessarily. So that is that was really cool. And so then we kind of went through the process, but I don't know, I get a gut feeling about people.

    [00:05:39] Whitney Owens: So there's some people are pretty much high on the spot, which I think was what happened. If I remember correctly, it was pretty quick.

    [00:05:44] Hunter Bickers: Well, I know one thing that I said was, um, shortly after you got back to me, I mentioned kind of exactly what was going on and, you know, where we were at and what all was going on and that it could potentially be a few months before I was physically here in Savannah.

    [00:05:57] Hunter Bickers: And your reply said something to the effect of, you know, for the right person, we're okay with waiting and getting you where you need to be and kind of just. Making this all work, how it should be and so that also gave me a lot of confidence when you said all that to to really go. Okay. Let me really start working on how I can respond to some of your questions.

    [00:06:14] Hunter Bickers: How we can continue to move forward with this because. There really wasn't any pressure to try to rush down here as quickly as I could. It was more. So how can we just make this a good fit overall and kind of just ease into this transition, which made it a lot easier for me and my wife actually.

    [00:06:30] Whitney Owens: Yeah.

    [00:06:31] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Okay. And I seem to remember you got hired. I think it was July.

    [00:06:35] Hunter Bickers: 2020 no, it was March. So I officially, I officially started in March of 22 actually. So this upcoming March will be 2 years. Awesome.

    [00:06:47] Whitney Owens: Okay. And how long did you do the virtual work before you started? Before you moved here, maybe that's what I'm thinking

    [00:06:53] Hunter Bickers: about.

    [00:06:54] Hunter Bickers: Uh, so yeah, well, so I started virtually in March of 22 and I was still working, uh, full time at the treatment facility. So I would work there, drive home, and then I started seeing a few clients each week. So I would come home and see one or two clients per day. And then it was July of that year before I got here.

    [00:07:14] Whitney Owens: That's what I'm thinking about. And how was that transition? Like, was it helpful to Kind of move slowly and move from a full time to this job. And yeah, it

    [00:07:22] Hunter Bickers: absolutely was because all of my experience had been with a lot of group therapy. I was doing groups every single day and was doing individual with my clients.

    [00:07:32] Hunter Bickers: But as far as a more traditional therapy setting of having 1 session with a client for once a week, rather, and then not seeing them for a little while and doing the notes and everything, it was really great to just see. You know, my 1st week was maybe 3 people, and then it was 5, 6, 7, and then I was seeing 8 or 9 people per week until I was here physically.

    [00:07:54] Hunter Bickers: And then things started to ramp up from there, but it was really a nice and smooth transition.

    [00:07:58] Whitney Owens: Good, so it's maybe easier to have just a few new clients every week instead of showing up and having 15 new clients your 1st

    [00:08:04] Hunter Bickers: week. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't have to drink from a fire hose. It was just very nice and smooth.

    [00:08:09] Hunter Bickers: I got more comfortable. And as I got more comfortable, I got more people, which made the whole thing very manageable. I never really felt at any time, like it was too much or I was in over my head because things were so gradual. It allowed me to grow as my client load grew.

    [00:08:26] Whitney Owens: Yeah. All right. So talk a little bit about what was it that drew you.

    [00:08:30] Whitney Owens: To come work at water's edge counseling.

    [00:08:33] Hunter Bickers: Well, I mean, a few things really. So, you know, what water's edge was looking for in regard to a therapist fit my skill set and experience. Um, the location of this place is absolutely amazing and beautiful in the setting. I'm getting to know you and getting to know Lisa when I came down and trained, and I think I met a few of the other therapists.

    [00:08:53] Hunter Bickers: So the, the people I thought I was going to be working with all seemed really great. And then just the, the entire setup of, I knew that I could, for the most part. Come in and do my job. I can come see clients do notes and so much of the other stuff is taken care of for me in regards to intakes and getting all that information and marketing and promotion and all of that stuff was handled and all I had to do was come in and do what I initially wanted to do when I pursued this career in the first place.

    [00:09:24] Whitney Owens: Yeah, yeah, and I, I love that. Like, that was 1 of the reasons of starting a group practice. I wanted therapists to be able to do the work they love without all the hassle of all the other things. And then, as you create it, it kind of, like, all feeds on 1 another, you know, as the practice grows and that part's been really nice.

    [00:09:40] Whitney Owens: All right. So talk about what's your typical day like as a therapist coming to work?

    [00:09:46] Hunter Bickers: Yeah. Well, you know, for the most part, it's fairly straightforward. So I see clients from noon to about 8 p. m. Monday through Thursday. And then Friday I will adjust things a little bit and I'll start at 9 a. m. and go up until 4 p.

    [00:09:59] Hunter Bickers: m. So, I will hop in usually around 1130 to 1145 to have some time to look over some notes, kind of get everything my room nice and ready. Lamps turned on pillows, fluffed up and all that stuff. Um, and then after that, my 1st client will show up right at 12 and then we will meet and do our thing and then they will head out and then it's just kind of the next 1 after that.

    [00:10:24] Hunter Bickers: And so I'll see 3 to 4 clients in a row. And then I'll take a break and then I'll see the next 3 to 4, depending on how the day is set up and, um, working on some notes in the meantime, using my break to just eat, get a snack, take a walk. And, uh, and then when the last last client leaves, I run through all the billing, check over anything else.

    [00:10:43] Hunter Bickers: I need to message people about reschedules or working on things moving forward. And then I head out and then I come in the next day and. Do the exact same thing.

    [00:10:52] Whitney Owens: Yeah, you have a really good rhythm for how you handle your days. Like, I mean, I see all the therapists and everyone kind of has their own way of doing it, but just how you explain that and following up with your clients, getting your notes done.

    [00:11:03] Whitney Owens: Um, and Hunter also sees for, for our practice, just so you know, as listeners full time status at the practice is 25 clients or more a week. Um, Hunter usually sees 28 to 30 on a typical week. Yeah,

    [00:11:15] Hunter Bickers: I'd say that's fair. I'm usually, um, you know, in a normal Normal schedule without holidays or anything like that.

    [00:11:21] Hunter Bickers: I'm usually scheduling about 30 and just out of sheer numbers. Somebody needs to reschedule or cancel, but it usually lands at around 27 or 28.

    [00:11:32] Whitney Owens: So, do you ever feel burnt out?

    [00:11:34] Hunter Bickers: No, you know, that was something I've always tried to be aware of and really check in with myself and see how things are going, but it usually works out to where, you know, I can be going full speed for a couple of weeks, but then there's a holiday and I get a day off or.

    [00:11:50] Hunter Bickers: You know, maybe especially because I see some college students and some kids in high school, you know, there's some school things that happen, which caused me to be a little bit slow 1 week here or there. So it really kind of just naturally creates time for me to just schedule as many as I'd like to. And then the schedule and the clientele will kind of take care of things for me in regard to giving me some rest and some time off.

    [00:12:13] Whitney Owens: Yeah, I agree. I feel like there's a natural ebb and flow like Christmas time. It's like, calms down and I can think clearly. And, um, of course, this year, which we're recording this in January, this has been the busiest January we've ever had. Yeah, that's not can you see that?

    [00:12:28] Hunter Bickers: Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the, the week of Christmas and New Year's were very slow, just naturally people going on vacations and everything like that.

    [00:12:36] Hunter Bickers: And, I mean, I, I maybe saw. 15 to 20 of those weeks per week, which is very slow for me. And then the next week, um, you know, 31, I think it was. So it was quite a stark change from slow season holidays to all right. It's 2024 now and let's kind of hit the crown running. Sure.

    [00:12:56] Whitney Owens: Sure. All right. Can you talk a little bit about supervision and how that works?

    [00:12:59] Hunter Bickers: Yeah, I love supervision. Actually, I came to love it. And when I was still a student in grad school, I really enjoyed kind of bouncing things off my supervisor there. And Lisa, who's my supervisor here is incredible. I really enjoy and look forward to once a week or sometimes twice a week. Just going sitting with her.

    [00:13:18] Hunter Bickers: And some of the other therapists here who are also in supervision talking about certain clients that maybe I'm a little stuck with, or have some questions about getting feedback from her. And I also actually get a lot from listening to some of the other therapists talk about their work with clients, and I can hear what they're doing about certain things, and I can hear what Lisa tells them as far as feedback.

    [00:13:40] Hunter Bickers: And then I can kind of take that information and also apply it to my own practice, which I really enjoy, but also just time to spend. Some time with my coworkers, because I don't get to see him quite as often just because I stay fairly busy and it's nice to just sit down with them and kind of get a pulse on everything they're doing as well.

    [00:13:56] Whitney Owens: That is nice. Yeah. And we have an odd set up here because we have technically 3 different office spaces. So, we have an upstairs on 1 building, and then the downstairs is a separate rent, a separate wall, and it actually literally has separate entrances. Right? Yeah, I think about that for a 2nd, and then we have the other building that's right beside it with another entrance.

    [00:14:18] Whitney Owens: We technically have 3 locations. So it is not often. We're all getting together. So group supervision is a good time for that. Um, the other thing that's to note is you do supervision individually, what? Twice a month.

    [00:14:31] Hunter Bickers: Once a month, as far as individually, it's. Once or twice a month, that's kind of varied from from time to time because we do, um, we all meet once a week on Thursdays and then there are some every other Wednesdays that occur and, you know, things, you know, who's where and what sometimes it varies depending on the schedule.

    [00:14:50] Hunter Bickers: So, more 1 on 1 time can shift a little bit throughout the month. Um, so that date kind of moves a little bit. Yeah,

    [00:14:57] Whitney Owens: yeah, so it's, it's nice though, that everybody can have, like, the 1 on 1 supervision and group supervision. And then we, even for our fully licensed therapist, they also go to group supervision once a month.

    [00:15:07] Whitney Owens: And then we have a clinical director, they can do supervision with as well. And I also want to just make sure people know that we have 2 leases at the practice that can get a little confusing. We have Lisa G. who does that you heard on the interview and then Lisa C. who is a CPCS, which is the certification in the state of Georgia to do supervision for licensed professional counselors.

    [00:15:27] Whitney Owens: Um, so tell us, Hunter, what would you say to people who were. Group practice centers thinking about being a group practice center. What kind of advice would you have to them to care? Well, for their team members or secure great team members. Yeah, culture for their team.

    [00:15:44] Hunter Bickers: Well, it's a really good question. I would.

    [00:15:47] Hunter Bickers: I would suggest really getting to know who you hire. I mean, I'm sure that's kind of a blanket statement to any type of business owner, but I hear pretty consistently from my clients. Some some horror stories of their visits with therapists prior to me, and so really spending time getting to know the people that you're interviewing and going to be working with, because these people are going to have an impact on somebody's life chances are, they'll be remembered for a very long time, if not for the rest of somebody's life.

    [00:16:13] Hunter Bickers: So it's really important on who you let in, but also to to ultimately, I think, if How I conceptualize, you know, you and, you know, the office and administration is very much kind of like a backbone because, you know, everything gets set up for me on the front end. And then then it becomes a resource. So I'm allowed to kind of do things my way.

    [00:16:36] Hunter Bickers: Like we talked about, I've developed my own routine, my way about doing things and scheduling after the 1st session and keeping up with people. Everything like that, but I always have the resource. If I have questions, if I need help, that's always just a text message or an email or a walk next door along the way.

    [00:16:53] Hunter Bickers: So it's really, I have a lot of autonomy, which I really appreciate. And which I think is very attractive for a lot of people, but should I need it? I also have just a very quick resource to get questions answered help supervision, anything like that. So, it's, it's like, you're right there kind of behind the corner.

    [00:17:13] Hunter Bickers: And if I ever need anything, I can just shoot around and then get exactly what I need. And outside of that, I can go my own way.

    [00:17:20] Whitney Owens: Yeah, well, I'm glad that you feel that way. And I, I feel like that's important too, is providing that foundation, the resources, but also the autonomy for you to enjoy your job.

    [00:17:28] Whitney Owens: You know, like, no 1 wants to be micromanaged, especially we all have master's degrees. We're all very professional and. Um, I like how you talk about going around the corner because you can literally jump from 1 building to the other. It's about 3 feet.

    [00:17:41] Hunter Bickers: Yeah, it's about 3. I started it. It was and then now everybody's doing it.

    [00:17:46] Whitney Owens: That's right. Yeah, I was really nervous. So when I have a skirt on, or when I have heels on, I don't try to make the job, but. It's a lot of fun. Um, okay. Another question that I get a lot from practice centers and be curious what you say about this is how important are the benefits to you? Like, health insurance, PTO retirement was that important to you looking for a job or now?

    [00:18:08] Hunter Bickers: It's, you know, it's not something I thought a lot about on the front end. My understanding. Prior to coming here of group practices was very much a, a 10 99 type of option. I really wasn't sure that there were a lot of W2 places like this. Mm-Hmm. . And now that I'm in it, it's incredibly important. I use my benefits, I have all of these other resources at my disposal and it has become very important to me.

    [00:18:32] Hunter Bickers: Um, and so no, I was very thankful that this place does, it wasn't aware that it was really a thing. And it has come in handy on several occasions at this point, throughout the past, almost, almost two years.

    [00:18:44] Whitney Owens: All right, well, good. Good. Um, a lot of people ask me about that. They want to know, should I incorporate that into my business?

    [00:18:50] Whitney Owens: And I'm like, not everyone's going to care, but the ones that do care, it means a lot to them to have it and to have that consistency. And then maybe speak to what is life like the therapist outside of the practice, like, fun things we do, like, how do you connect with therapists that way? Some of the events.

    [00:19:07] Hunter Bickers: Yeah, so we are able to, to get out pretty regularly to do things like we had our murder mystery night. What was that 3 months ago or so? Um, always at Halloween. Yeah. Yeah. So, and that was a ton of fun. Get to see everybody also a little bit out of their comfort zone, having to act into character. That's not them.

    [00:19:26] Hunter Bickers: Um, and then things like a Christmas party, everybody getting together, doing white elephant and things like that. And I know, um, We had the video game night that I actually wasn't able to attend back in the day, but just things like that, because I mean, how Whitney said it was correct. And that, you know, a couple of different buildings, even though they are next to each other, a lot of us, most of our interaction is when we are going in and out, letting people in and out to go see our patients.

    [00:19:52] Hunter Bickers: So, having that time where we can get out, relax a little bit, actually talk to ourselves outside of the building and really get to know and bond with each other more is just very valuable. Now, are you

    [00:20:04] Whitney Owens: going to the event on Friday?

    [00:20:06] Hunter Bickers: I'm afraid not I don't think

    [00:20:11] Whitney Owens: so. So we actually, I wouldn't say it's a water's edge of it necessarily. And I, if you follow me for a long time, you've heard of Jimbo, but this guy also share space with us and he has his own practice that all started with him and I starting our own practices in this building. And then I grew water's edge and he has stayed a solo practice center.

    [00:20:28] Whitney Owens: But his name is Jimbo. Yes, we live in Georgia and his name's Jimbo. Um, he's turning 50 and he rented out like a professional venue in town. I've actually never been to Victory

    [00:20:37] Hunter Bickers: North. It's cool. It's cool. And some real deal bands come and play there. It is not a small space. Yeah,

    [00:20:43] Whitney Owens: big time people. Yeah. And so his band is going to be playing.

    [00:20:47] Whitney Owens: He's turning 50 and I just think it's hilarious. He's called it the Jimbury. Yeah. Uh huh. Jimbo. Okay. So anyway, so I've been friends with Jimbo. Really, he was, if it weren't for him, I don't know if I'd have Water's Edge. Yeah, he got me my first client, everything. So anyway, so looking forward to that. But yeah, we like to do some fun things outside of the practice.

    [00:21:04] Whitney Owens: We usually do an event just about once a quarter. Yeah. Um, yeah. So anything else that you want to include that we didn't talk about about your job that you think is important for practice owners to

    [00:21:14] Hunter Bickers: know? Um, let me think, I think I, I kind of touched on it some, but really, ultimately just the, even though, you know, I do have the autonomy and for the most part, you know, we all do and we do get to interact and also staff meetings that I forgot to mention, we get to hang out and talk a little bit of there.

    [00:21:35] Hunter Bickers: I would say that this place is very family like, and that. You know, the support is there everybody while we all come from different backgrounds and everybody has their different specialty. For the most part, we do get along very well. We're able to text each other bounce resources off of each other. Get referrals from everybody else.

    [00:21:54] Hunter Bickers: It is. While everybody kind of has their own office, and sometimes it can be secluded, it is very family like at the same time. And I think those 2 aspects of it actually mesh together really well, which really provides a really good balance. So, I mean, that's something that I would think that anybody in my position would really appreciate about a workplace.

    [00:22:13] Hunter Bickers: Thank you.

    [00:22:14] Whitney Owens: Yeah, and that's what therapists are looking for. You know, I mean, people all the time are like, hey, why why would somebody want to work for your practice when, you know, they can make more as a 1099 or, you know, other things and I say, you know, like, yes, money's important. You want to pay your therapist as best you can.

    [00:22:29] Whitney Owens: But really your culture is what matters. I mean, they could go work at a community mental health agency or some kind of agency and see 50 clients a week and make more money. Yeah. But it's like having that support, the family field, the resources, the autonomy, all that culture stuff really also is important.

    [00:22:44] Whitney Owens: Yeah. Great. Well, I appreciate you taking the time out of your busy day to come and hang out with podcast. So looking forward to airing this episode and appreciate you

    [00:22:54] Hunter Bickers: working with me. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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    [00:23:17] Whitney Owens: Special thanks to Marty Altman for the music in this podcast. The Wise Practice Podcast is part of the Sitecraft Podcast Network, a collaboration of independent podcasters focused on helping people live more meaningful and productive lives. To learn more about the other amazing podcasts in the network, head on over to sitecraftnetwork.

    [00:23:38] Whitney Owens: com. The Wise Practice Podcast represents the opinions of Whitney Owens and her guests. This podcast is for educational purposes only, and the content should not be taken as legal advice. If you have legal questions, please consult an attorney.

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